Ella and Penguin and All the Wonders

I was beyond thrilled to have a chat with Matthew Winner on his All the Wonders podcast. I've long been a fan of Matthew and his genuine enthusiasm for children's books. This podcast has featured SO MANY of the writers and illustrators I admire.

In this episode, Matthew and I talk about how Ella and Penguin came to be, how much friends really have to match, and the role of critique on the road to publication. Take a listen!